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		<title>By: THAT Animeblog - [LWC 61] Visual Study in Feminine Finger Positions</title>
		<link>http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-kanonisation/#comment-10012</link>
		<dc:creator>THAT Animeblog - [LWC 61] Visual Study in Feminine Finger Positions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nagisa (Clannad): Nagisa, perhaps being the epitomic manifestation of the Helpless Key Girl (as coined by Baka-Raptor), or the Perfect Key Heroine, it let alone suffices that she’s the only girl out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nagisa (Clannad): Nagisa, perhaps being the epitomic manifestation of the Helpless Key Girl (as coined by Baka-Raptor), or the Perfect Key Heroine, it let alone suffices that she’s the only girl out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: THAT Animeblog - [LWC 59] The Kanonification!</title>
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		<dc:creator>THAT Animeblog - [LWC 59] The Kanonification!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (1) I enjoy lighthearted play on words and (2) have recently started watching the series at hand. I like it, the ‘slife element is very [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Animanachronism</title>
		<link>http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-kanonisation/#comment-9554</link>
		<dc:creator>The Animanachronism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps. Sadly, comedy&#039;s even more variable, at least in my case. I know my idea of what&#039;s uproariously funny can be very different to the next guy&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps. Sadly, comedy&#8217;s even more variable, at least in my case. I know my idea of what&#8217;s uproariously funny can be very different to the next guy&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think with Lucky Star that may be that people expect all sorts of different things from it rather than that the principle is flawed in general. Even the people defending Lucky Star seem to think it was a better slice of life than comedy, but I laughed out loud the whole way through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think with Lucky Star that may be that people expect all sorts of different things from it rather than that the principle is flawed in general. Even the people defending Lucky Star seem to think it was a better slice of life than comedy, but I laughed out loud the whole way through.</p>
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		<title>By: The Animanachronism</title>
		<link>http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-kanonisation/#comment-9544</link>
		<dc:creator>The Animanachronism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shiri: &lt;em&gt;Shuffle!&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s a strange beast: there&#039;re bits which have plot, and bits which don&#039;t. Personally I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth wading through the near-plotless harem episodes to get to the plotty harem episodes. Unless you like plotless harem.

Lots of people have told me what to expect from &lt;em&gt;Lucky Star&lt;/em&gt;, but I went back and re-watched an episode at random the other day and it did very little for me. I think in the case of slife-of-life it may be something inherent in my nature rather than something placed in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shiri: <em>Shuffle!</em>&#8217;s a strange beast: there&#8217;re bits which have plot, and bits which don&#8217;t. Personally I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth wading through the near-plotless harem episodes to get to the plotty harem episodes. Unless you like plotless harem.</p>
<p>Lots of people have told me what to expect from <em>Lucky Star</em>, but I went back and re-watched an episode at random the other day and it did very little for me. I think in the case of slife-of-life it may be something inherent in my nature rather than something placed in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiri</title>
		<link>http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-kanonisation/#comment-9543</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had been reading that remark, I would have assumed it meant &quot;with breasts instead of or emphasised over Key&#039;s plot-like substance.&quot; I haven&#039;t actually seen Shuffle though.

@OGT: Very good point. Couldn&#039;t get into Tengen Toppa, Lucky Star or Macross Frontier until someone told me what I should be expecting from them. Then it clicked and I really enjoyed them. Mushishi never caused me any such difficulty though (and I adored that too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had been reading that remark, I would have assumed it meant &#8220;with breasts instead of or emphasised over Key&#8217;s plot-like substance.&#8221; I haven&#8217;t actually seen Shuffle though.</p>
<p>@OGT: Very good point. Couldn&#8217;t get into Tengen Toppa, Lucky Star or Macross Frontier until someone told me what I should be expecting from them. Then it clicked and I really enjoyed them. Mushishi never caused me any such difficulty though (and I adored that too.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Animanachronism</title>
		<link>http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-kanonisation/#comment-9532</link>
		<dc:creator>The Animanachronism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, though I don&#039;t think the game (or its legacy) should be taken into account when objectively assessing the anime - but as CCY says, is objectivity necessary or possible? I can see how the franchise demands respect as something of a progenitor.

It&#039;s possible that I was subconsciously predisposed to dislike &lt;em&gt;Kanon&lt;/em&gt;. I try not to bother with the subconscious too much, on the grounds that if I can&#039;t detect it it&#039;s not much use to me. I don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; I watched the show expecting the wrong things - but then I don&#039;t know the genre, so I didn&#039;t know what to expect. Except for an old remark of CCY&#039;s, that &lt;em&gt;Shuffle!&lt;/em&gt;, &#039;It&#039;s like Key, but with breasts&#039;, which suggested to me that &lt;em&gt;Kanon&lt;/em&gt; might be a bit like a weepier &lt;em&gt;Shuffle!&lt;/em&gt;, with&lt;em&gt;out&lt;/em&gt; breasts.

. . . maybe that wasn&#039;t too helpful an attitude, in retrospect - especially since I wasn&#039;t exactly blown away by &lt;em&gt;Shuffle!&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, though I don&#8217;t think the game (or its legacy) should be taken into account when objectively assessing the anime &#8211; but as CCY says, is objectivity necessary or possible? I can see how the franchise demands respect as something of a progenitor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that I was subconsciously predisposed to dislike <em>Kanon</em>. I try not to bother with the subconscious too much, on the grounds that if I can&#8217;t detect it it&#8217;s not much use to me. I don&#8217;t <em>think</em> I watched the show expecting the wrong things &#8211; but then I don&#8217;t know the genre, so I didn&#8217;t know what to expect. Except for an old remark of CCY&#8217;s, that <em>Shuffle!</em>, &#8216;It&#8217;s like Key, but with breasts&#8217;, which suggested to me that <em>Kanon</em> might be a bit like a weepier <em>Shuffle!</em>, with<em>out</em> breasts.</p>
<p>. . . maybe that wasn&#8217;t too helpful an attitude, in retrospect &#8211; especially since I wasn&#8217;t exactly blown away by <em>Shuffle!</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: OGT</title>
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		<dc:creator>OGT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to keep with Kanon is perspective--the original eroge came out in 1999 and effectively (alongside the first To Heart) set the standards for everything that was to come after it, both in the eroge industry and in the anime industry, as they hurriedly followed suit. And, yes, the original game was porn--but it was also one of the first (and still woefully few) eroge to attempt something more than simple titillation. Just for that, I give it high marks--the whole of Kanon pales in comparison to the half of Clannad I&#039;ve seen, which I&#039;ve noted reasons why in really really old posts.

That said, there were some moments in Kanon that got me on the verge of tears, and did affect me emotionally. And, while I have cried at anime plenty of times before, I think it takes a special combination of circumstances--attention paid to the episode, mood at the time of viewing, etc.--to determine whether I am emotionally moved to tears by an anime, or whether I sit there, bored.

It might also have been that you went into it with a (possibly subconscious) &quot;I&#039;m not going to like this&quot; thought in your head, even if you thought you were giving it a fair chance. I&#039;ve had issues like that in the past--it took me two months before I actually managed to watch an episode of Mushishi and actually like it, because I&#039;d start up every episode with the notion that I wouldn&#039;t really like it. Then it finally got driven into my skull that it wasn&#039;t trying to be &quot;creepy&quot; as I thought it was being (and you still can&#039;t tell me that there&#039;s parts of Mushishi that don&#039;t creep you out), but rather what it was actually trying to do: tell very human stories.

There&#039;s a huge quality gap between Mushishi and Kanon, of course, and, given your tastes, it&#039;s no surprise that you didn&#039;t really like Kanon, but sometimes, the difference between liking a series and not liking a series is simply a state of mind. It&#039;s part of why I still can&#039;t bring myself to watch Kaiba past episode 1, despite the fact that I really want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to keep with Kanon is perspective&#8211;the original eroge came out in 1999 and effectively (alongside the first To Heart) set the standards for everything that was to come after it, both in the eroge industry and in the anime industry, as they hurriedly followed suit. And, yes, the original game was porn&#8211;but it was also one of the first (and still woefully few) eroge to attempt something more than simple titillation. Just for that, I give it high marks&#8211;the whole of Kanon pales in comparison to the half of Clannad I&#8217;ve seen, which I&#8217;ve noted reasons why in really really old posts.</p>
<p>That said, there were some moments in Kanon that got me on the verge of tears, and did affect me emotionally. And, while I have cried at anime plenty of times before, I think it takes a special combination of circumstances&#8211;attention paid to the episode, mood at the time of viewing, etc.&#8211;to determine whether I am emotionally moved to tears by an anime, or whether I sit there, bored.</p>
<p>It might also have been that you went into it with a (possibly subconscious) &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to like this&#8221; thought in your head, even if you thought you were giving it a fair chance. I&#8217;ve had issues like that in the past&#8211;it took me two months before I actually managed to watch an episode of Mushishi and actually like it, because I&#8217;d start up every episode with the notion that I wouldn&#8217;t really like it. Then it finally got driven into my skull that it wasn&#8217;t trying to be &#8220;creepy&#8221; as I thought it was being (and you still can&#8217;t tell me that there&#8217;s parts of Mushishi that don&#8217;t creep you out), but rather what it was actually trying to do: tell very human stories.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a huge quality gap between Mushishi and Kanon, of course, and, given your tastes, it&#8217;s no surprise that you didn&#8217;t really like Kanon, but sometimes, the difference between liking a series and not liking a series is simply a state of mind. It&#8217;s part of why I still can&#8217;t bring myself to watch Kaiba past episode 1, despite the fact that I really want to.</p>
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		<title>By: The Animanachronism</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Animanachronism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shiri: Good point. Cliches become cliches because they&#039;re awesome, and with the first few series one watches there&#039;s no frame of reference. There are compensations, though, I suppose, such as genre literacy: when first I watched &lt;em&gt;NGE&lt;/em&gt; I completely missed its relationship with other mecha shows.

@ koneko-chan: The same thing&#039;s nearly happening to me (you can see it&#039;s been seven days from this post and I&#039;ve only managed one other)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shiri: Good point. Cliches become cliches because they&#8217;re awesome, and with the first few series one watches there&#8217;s no frame of reference. There are compensations, though, I suppose, such as genre literacy: when first I watched <em>NGE</em> I completely missed its relationship with other mecha shows.</p>
<p>@ koneko-chan: The same thing&#8217;s nearly happening to me (you can see it&#8217;s been seven days from this post and I&#8217;ve only managed one other)!</p>
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		<title>By: koneko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>koneko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple belated congrats...

Sigh. Once again work+real life has kept me ignorant about the recent happenings in the anime bloggosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple belated congrats&#8230;</p>
<p>Sigh. Once again work+real life has kept me ignorant about the recent happenings in the anime bloggosphere.</p>
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